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		<title>By: mortgage modification</title>
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		<dc:creator>mortgage modification</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Most of the burden for incurred losses should fall on the investors who purchased the mortgage backed securities - investors have to accept risk with other investment vehicles - why should these be any different? &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the burden for incurred losses should fall on the investors who purchased the mortgage backed securities &#8211; investors have to accept risk with other investment vehicles &#8211; why should these be any different? </p>
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		<title>By: stock trader</title>
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		<dc:creator>stock trader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The sub prime mortgage crisis was born in a decade-long housing boom fueled by low interest rates and excess liquidity. During these ‘boom’ years, mortgage brokers enticed by the lure of big commissions, talked buyers with poor credit into accepting housing mortgages with little or no down payment and without proper tax documentation and credit checks. And so the groundwork was established for the coming mortgage meltdown.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These loans, usually adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) were known as subprime mortgages. They typically cost two or three points above those with less-risky credit reports and carry interest rate structures with low ‘teaser rates’ for the first couple of years, followed by a reset to much higher rates. This reset or jump, frequently resulted in raising the borrower’s monthly payment by as much as 100% and thereby making it financially impossible for him to handle.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s why now we have world financial crisis, where all institutions across are involved. Hope this will end in 2-3 years, but home loans practice will chenge somehow in future, because nobody wants financial bubbles any more&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sub prime mortgage crisis was born in a decade-long housing boom fueled by low interest rates and excess liquidity. During these ‘boom’ years, mortgage brokers enticed by the lure of big commissions, talked buyers with poor credit into accepting housing mortgages with little or no down payment and without proper tax documentation and credit checks. And so the groundwork was established for the coming mortgage meltdown.</p>
<p>These loans, usually adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) were known as subprime mortgages. They typically cost two or three points above those with less-risky credit reports and carry interest rate structures with low ‘teaser rates’ for the first couple of years, followed by a reset to much higher rates. This reset or jump, frequently resulted in raising the borrower’s monthly payment by as much as 100% and thereby making it financially impossible for him to handle.</p>
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<p>That&#8217;s why now we have world financial crisis, where all institutions across are involved. Hope this will end in 2-3 years, but home loans practice will chenge somehow in future, because nobody wants financial bubbles any more</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 19:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately at this point I don&#039;t think it is possible, or even useful, to try and analyze each deal for &quot;deservedness&quot;. Instead as I oultine above it will have to be done in broad strokes. I&#039;m all for limiting moral hazard - though that can also be accomplished by putting in place tougher laws going forward (like removing implicit guarantees to fannie, freddie debt). Do note above that I think it is worth making a distinction between those who pulled cash out, and those who bought at the peak. The folks who pulled cash out actually received something of value and should be held accountable for it. I also don&#039;t think we should adjust payments to whatever is affordable for the current owner (as we are doing now under the Obama plan) - instead we should adjust price to be affordable given area incomes. This subtle difference resolves your issue of a hotel maid getting to keep a $600k house, as they would still have to qualify for the adjusted price at market loan terms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately at this point I don&#8217;t think it is possible, or even useful, to try and analyze each deal for &#8220;deservedness&#8221;. Instead as I oultine above it will have to be done in broad strokes. I&#8217;m all for limiting moral hazard &#8211; though that can also be accomplished by putting in place tougher laws going forward (like removing implicit guarantees to fannie, freddie debt). Do note above that I think it is worth making a distinction between those who pulled cash out, and those who bought at the peak. The folks who pulled cash out actually received something of value and should be held accountable for it. I also don&#8217;t think we should adjust payments to whatever is affordable for the current owner (as we are doing now under the Obama plan) &#8211; instead we should adjust price to be affordable given area incomes. This subtle difference resolves your issue of a hotel maid getting to keep a $600k house, as they would still have to qualify for the adjusted price at market loan terms.</p>
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		<title>By: richard_1</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard_1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I understand the paradox. I used to think that Greenspan&#039;s &quot;soft landing&quot; 1/4 point rate change approach was smart. But I can see that the soft landing really mean taking the pain out of the economy. I have come to beleive that pain is a part of the process. But my bigger point is who gets to decide who is deserving of the debt relief? This is the moral hazard. I for one think that pedaphiles should be locked up for life. But the bleeding hearts think we should try to rehab them. Only to see them molest or rape again. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do respect your knowledge of the mortgage and foreclosure markets, so what are the details of who gets the break?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the paradox. I used to think that Greenspan&#8217;s &#8220;soft landing&#8221; 1/4 point rate change approach was smart. But I can see that the soft landing really mean taking the pain out of the economy. I have come to beleive that pain is a part of the process. But my bigger point is who gets to decide who is deserving of the debt relief? This is the moral hazard. I for one think that pedaphiles should be locked up for life. But the bleeding hearts think we should try to rehab them. Only to see them molest or rape again. </p>
<p>I do respect your knowledge of the mortgage and foreclosure markets, so what are the details of who gets the break?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 08:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Richard, I appreciate your position - you certainly represent the majority at this point. I wish you had read my earlier posts, but a couple of quick thoughts:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Your nuts if you don&#039;t think we are doing the most significant financial tinkering in our nations history RIGHT NOW. It appears things are so out of control that the fed has lost track of the &lt;a class=&quot;content&quot; title=&quot;Fed is out of control&quot; href=&quot;http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/05/federal-reserve-can-not-account-for-9.html&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot;&gt;$9 Trillion in off balance sheet transactions its conducted to date&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. Its popular to point to subprime loans and mortgage fraud as the culprits, but give me a break. There was something far bigger going on to get us to a point where 35% of Californian&#039;s with a mortgage are now underwater.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. I love this &quot;contracts are part of our foundation&quot; line. Actually one of the things that makes the U.S, most unique in the world is our bankruptcy laws which allow companies and individuals a second chance, and are largely why we are so much more entrepreneurial than the rest of the world. We take big risks, and if they don&#039;t work, we move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. Given that we have 3 Million upside down homeowners in CA, and only 13,500 were foreclosed on last month, are you really prepare to spend the next 10 years in economic hell as we let these things work through one at a time? Especially when our government is already running &lt;a class=&quot;content&quot; title=&quot;balooning federal deficits&quot; href=&quot;http://www.ombwatch.org/node/9563&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;$1.2 Trillion dollar deficits&lt;/a&gt; just to keep things from unravelling faster?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard, I appreciate your position &#8211; you certainly represent the majority at this point. I wish you had read my earlier posts, but a couple of quick thoughts:</p>
<p>1. Your nuts if you don&#8217;t think we are doing the most significant financial tinkering in our nations history RIGHT NOW. It appears things are so out of control that the fed has lost track of the <a class="content" title="Fed is out of control" href="http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/05/federal-reserve-can-not-account-for-9.html" target="_self">$9 Trillion in off balance sheet transactions its conducted to date</a>.</p>
<p>2. Its popular to point to subprime loans and mortgage fraud as the culprits, but give me a break. There was something far bigger going on to get us to a point where 35% of Californian&#8217;s with a mortgage are now underwater.</p>
<p>3. I love this &#8220;contracts are part of our foundation&#8221; line. Actually one of the things that makes the U.S, most unique in the world is our bankruptcy laws which allow companies and individuals a second chance, and are largely why we are so much more entrepreneurial than the rest of the world. We take big risks, and if they don&#8217;t work, we move on.</p>
<p>4. Given that we have 3 Million upside down homeowners in CA, and only 13,500 were foreclosed on last month, are you really prepare to spend the next 10 years in economic hell as we let these things work through one at a time? Especially when our government is already running <a class="content" title="balooning federal deficits" href="http://www.ombwatch.org/node/9563" target="_blank">$1.2 Trillion dollar deficits</a> just to keep things from unravelling faster?</p>
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		<title>By: richard_1</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard_1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Political tinkering got us into this mess. It is hard to trust that more political tinkering can get us out the mess.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Capitalism is said to be the most efficient economic system known….. but it is also the cruelest.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I watched the changes in the 80s to the rust belt of the northeast. Some would say it was the greedy corporations, yet others would place blame on the unions. Both would be right.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Looking back with what I know now, it seems that it was inevitable. The tech boom and global growth of capitalism has created competition, people hungry for a better life, will work in China or India for a fraction of what the same jobs pay here. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Fraud was rampant in the mortgage business. But it was on both sides. Brokers and underwriters turned a blind eye to the borrowers’ facts as they collected their commissions.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I purchased an REO earlier this year. As it turns out, the house next door is in default. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I contacted the owner to discuss a hew fence. The folks living in the house gave me her phone number. She is a housekeeper at the Embassy Suites. The house has $600K in loans, I assume that was also the selling price in 2006. Now who in their right mind would lend her that much money? Yet, should we forgive her debt in an attempt to let her keep a house she cannot afford at ½ the monthly payment? I know people who bought their homes in the 90s, then ran up big credit card debt with cars, vacations, a life style they could not afford. Then I watched them refinance &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;to pay off their credit cards with option mortgages. I recall commenting at the time that I thought they should do something about their lifestyle, that what they were doing was not sustainable. Of course there are people who were honest and well intended and simply wanted a home. When the realtor and loan broker told them they could move in for no money down and they would have a payment they could make, they were on cloud nine. The American dream had come true for them. Yes, they may be victims and deserve our charity. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;So, who is going to be in charge of deciding what is the right thing to do? So far, what has been done has been political and has not really fixed the problem. Should my friends who are loosing their home because of their credit card debt be bailed out? I love them, but tough love would have them loose their house and maybe they would get the message they were responsible for their problems, not the rest of us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;The US is a country of laws. Contracts including mortgages are part of the foundation of our country. Allow the parties to these contracts to work through them one at a time. That is how they were made, and that is how they will have to be resolved. If there was fraud, then enforce the laws regarding fraud. But don’t though the baby out with the bathwater.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #515151; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;The constitution does not guarantee happiness. It does, however, guarantee the right to the pursuit of happiness. This is a very big right and is envied by much of the world. I personally have a great deal of satisfaction knowing I have earned what I have. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Political tinkering got us into this mess. It is hard to trust that more political tinkering can get us out the mess.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Capitalism is said to be the most efficient economic system known….. but it is also the cruelest.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I watched the changes in the 80s to the rust belt of the northeast. Some would say it was the greedy corporations, yet others would place blame on the unions. Both would be right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Looking back with what I know now, it seems that it was inevitable. The tech boom and global growth of capitalism has created competition, people hungry for a better life, will work in China or India for a fraction of what the same jobs pay here. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Fraud was rampant in the mortgage business. But it was on both sides. Brokers and underwriters turned a blind eye to the borrowers’ facts as they collected their commissions.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I purchased an REO earlier this year. As it turns out, the house next door is in default. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I contacted the owner to discuss a hew fence. The folks living in the house gave me her phone number. She is a housekeeper at the Embassy Suites. The house has $600K in loans, I assume that was also the selling price in 2006. Now who in their right mind would lend her that much money? Yet, should we forgive her debt in an attempt to let her keep a house she cannot afford at ½ the monthly payment? I know people who bought their homes in the 90s, then ran up big credit card debt with cars, vacations, a life style they could not afford. Then I watched them refinance <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>to pay off their credit cards with option mortgages. I recall commenting at the time that I thought they should do something about their lifestyle, that what they were doing was not sustainable. Of course there are people who were honest and well intended and simply wanted a home. When the realtor and loan broker told them they could move in for no money down and they would have a payment they could make, they were on cloud nine. The American dream had come true for them. Yes, they may be victims and deserve our charity. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">So, who is going to be in charge of deciding what is the right thing to do? So far, what has been done has been political and has not really fixed the problem. Should my friends who are loosing their home because of their credit card debt be bailed out? I love them, but tough love would have them loose their house and maybe they would get the message they were responsible for their problems, not the rest of us.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">The US is a country of laws. Contracts including mortgages are part of the foundation of our country. Allow the parties to these contracts to work through them one at a time. That is how they were made, and that is how they will have to be resolved. If there was fraud, then enforce the laws regarding fraud. But don’t though the baby out with the bathwater.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #515151; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">The constitution does not guarantee happiness. It does, however, guarantee the right to the pursuit of happiness. This is a very big right and is envied by much of the world. I personally have a great deal of satisfaction knowing I have earned what I have. </span></span></p>
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